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.25 ACP Stopping Power

There’s an old axiom among gunnies (believed to be originated with Jeff Cooper):

“If you have a .25, don’t load it.  If you load it, don’t carry it.  If you carry it, don’t shoot it.  If you shoot it, you might hit someone, and make them mad.”

Colt 'Vest Pocket' .25 ACP

.25s – mouse guns –  are widely derided in the self-defense community as underpowered crap.

The Smallest Minority again enters the .25 ACP as stopping power debate.
It’s been said that anecdotal evidence is not evidence.
The expression anecdotal evidence refers to the use of particular instances or concrete examples to support a general claim. Such information (sometimes referred to pejoratively as “hearsay”) may be compelling but does not, in itself, provide proof. (Grammar and Composition – About.com)
Kevin begins:  There have been comments to the post below concerning the lack of “stopping power” of the .25ACP cartridge, and I can’t say I disagree with them, but I would like to share one story of how a .25 saved one man’s life.
an excerpt:
Within a few seconds of my friend’s car leaving the parking lot, in comes the guy, walking real fast down the main aisle of the store. I’m still waiting on the phone to ring, when he suddenly produces a 3 ft Ninja Sword from behind his back and states “This is a Ninja Sword”, and sticks it into my right shoulder very deeply.
Go read the conclusion of the tale at the link to TSM, above.
A powerful read, and while not evidence, is an example not to be taken lightly.

The First Rule of a Gunfight – Have a gun! – Mark Moritz

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h/t Kevin Baker

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I'm a child of the 50's. libertarian, now medically-retired. I've been a certified firearms trainer, a private investigator, and worked for a major credit card company for almost 22 years. I am a proud NRA Life Member. I am a limited-government, free-market capitalist, who believes in the U.S. Constitution and the Rule of Law.

Discussion

9 thoughts on “.25 ACP Stopping Power

  1. If it works, it’s NOT wrong… And it’s ALL about shot placement, as the link shows!

    Posted by Old NFO | March 20, 2012, 6:25 pm
  2. Perhaps even more importantly, this event hammers home the warrior mindset:

    Never give up! Never surrender!!!

    Posted by Tango Juliet | March 20, 2012, 6:48 pm
  3. Amen, gentlemen, to you both!

    Posted by guffaw1952 | March 20, 2012, 7:50 pm
  4. I find it hard to read, even having read it before, but the guys at Brassfetcher.com, who do all sorts of ballistic gelatin tests said the reason they started their whole profession was this story (it’s a pdf).

    As they say, a .25 isn’t much, but I wouldn’t volunteer to stand in front of it. It’s more effective than harsh language.

    I have one. Never carry it, but it was my father’s and I keep it for sentimental value.

    Posted by SiGraybeard | March 24, 2012, 2:06 pm
  5. The first rule of a swordifight is to not get stabbed or slashed. Got off the line of the attack. Have a plan. Once you get past the initial “not get stabbed”, having a gun can be useful.

    Posted by asm826@yahoo.com | March 25, 2012, 8:50 pm
  6. I always laugh when I read peoples opinions about what caliber to carry or how the .25 is useless? One thing I know if you ever have one pointed at you and the person on the other end means to do you harm, you will have a very different opinion of the .25 acp. pretty much any .25 acp is going to be an semi auto pistol holding 6 shots, if I am attacked at normal distance ( point blank) and shoot all six shot at you center mass, I will bet my life that you will go down! All these so call expert with the 15 round mags and large calibers dont seem to be very realistic about REAL attacks. You dont need night sight or really any sights at all, because the person will likley be within 10 feet of you, if not, then they are really no threat to you and you better not shoot them!

    Posted by Steve Sparks | September 4, 2012, 5:11 pm
  7. Fastidious replies in return of this issue with genuine arguments and describing all on the topic of that.

    Posted by federal firearms application | November 1, 2012, 1:42 am

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