Here @ Guffaw in AZ, well welcome all comers with reasoned arguments. I ran across this on the Internet, however and it gave me pause.
Is THIS a reasoned argument?
125 Grain Hollow Point Bullet For .45 ACP?
Now, personally, I’m a fan of heavy, slow .45 ACP rounds. 230 grain, anyway, modern hollow point preferred.
(but ball will do in a pinch!). I DO understand that .357 loads used in the city will penetrate people, buildings, most car doors. So my preference is for .45 ACP and .38 Special. For the urban environment, anyway. Recognizing that a 12 gauge is better, but less socially acceptable. And perhaps more difficult to conceal.
Anyway, this intrigued me, at least as an intellectual exercise. I’m certain that Jeff Cooper, John Thompson and Julian Hatcher are spinning in their graves.
h/t The Gun Wire (TM), Ammoland
guffaw1952, Thanks for having an open mind about my idea, we fifties children (1954 for me) can be pretty set in our ways, but as a retired safety director and coal miner I tend to work from experience to make things better. If you want to see the easy way to do something (not necessarily the safest) just give the job to a coal miner. There is no doubt that 230 grain hollow points are better than 230 grain FMJ’s for most anything except complying with the Geneva Convention and that they have done the job for many years, but a lighter, faster, bullet with more energy that will do the job more efficiently can be had using less lead (and therefore money) and be less weight for these old bones to carry. I figured it up and I think a box of 125 grain .45 ACP rounds would be about 1/3 of a pound less to carry than 230 grain ones. Jeff Cooper, like the rest, learned to use what was issued or available (and then got set in their ways), I think I could even convince them (if they were still around) if I could just get the bullets made to show them.
Let me bounce another bullet idea off of your intellect, what about a125 grain FMJ .45 ACP round with an aluminum core around a steel penetrator in a copper jacket for the military? It would act as a normal FMJ in soft targets to comply with the Geneva Convention but deliver a steel penetrator to enemy soldiers or terrorists wearing vests. The steel penetrator really improved the little .22 that our soldiers are required to carry.
Posted by Anonymous | April 26, 2012, 1:34 pmInteresting perspective and concept. Thanks.
Posted by guffaw1952 | April 26, 2012, 2:12 pmI suspect a 125-gr round in a .45 might not be subsonic; it would almost certainly be a lot faster than a heavier projectile. The 185-gr HP rounds I sometimes use are almost 300 fps faster than the 230 gr equivalent. So I compromised with a 200-gr +P round with an expanding full metal jacket. It’s a bit faster than either.
Posted by Rev. Paul | April 26, 2012, 1:51 pmThanks for your input. I’ll be interested in see where this leads…
Posted by guffaw1952 | April 26, 2012, 2:13 pm