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The Triumvirate On Gun Control

There has been much gnashing of teeth in the past few days over the most recent school shooting.  Surely, the fact that I must use the term ‘most recent’ gives one pause.  Or the term ‘school shooting’ that doesn’t involve marksmanship practice.

And the Internet is all abuzz with sorrowful pleas for ‘they’ to do ‘something’.  I believe it’s human nature in that we all feel so helpless when such things occur.  We want ‘something’ to be done.

The President himself just released his proposals, including another assault weapons ban, a magazine capacity ban and restrictions on private sales of firearms.  (Of course, none of these measures would have stopped the homicidal, unbalanced criminal from the recent massacre of innocents.)

I’ve mentioned recent events a couple of times, and even wrote a couple yet unpublished posts, but many other bloggers have addressed the issues in a much more eloquent and informed manner than I.  If you’ve not seen these three recent postings, you should go to the links and read.  And think about what you have read.  And hope The Nation has enough wisdom to absorb these things, as well.  Links and excerpts below…

A Couple of Elephants by Old NFO

~The mental health community has morphed away from actually treating and committing people due to numerous lawsuits by, among others, the ACLU.  Also, due to ‘privacy’ concerns, many institutions will not report a person with mental health problems to NICS or even to local police.  You can go find articles that point out that the ONLY way to get someone committed is to have charges filed against someone.~

~A few school systems use School Resource Officers (SROs) who are either retired LEOs or are LEOs specifically hired to work in schools both for security. those SROs are armed, have full police powers and are directly connected to the local police departments via radio if they need assistance/backup.

Many were funded under programs from the Federal Government after Columbine…

However, those programs were de-funded by the current administration.~

Stop Teaching Our Kids To Kill by Dave Grossman, Lt. Col. USA (ret.) (via Maddened Fowl)

~Research on the background of our juvenile mass murderers show they have one thing in common:  they ALL dropped out of life and filled their lives with nothing but violent movies and violent video games.  The sickest video games and the sickest movies are very very sick indeed.  And the sick sick kids who immerse themselves in this “entertainment” are very sick indeed.
~And it is a world-wide phenomenon!  Germany has had two mass murders in their high schools with body counts that beat Columbine.  England had a massacre in the kindergarten class in Dunblain Scotland, tragically forecasting Sandy Hook.  Canada had the Taber, Alberta school massacre.  Finland has had three school massacres.  In Norway the killer got on an island and killed all their kids.  In China killers are going in the classrooms with knives and gutting and hacking the kids.  In Belgium a sicko got in the day care center and hacked 12 babies in the cribs, dressed as the Joker from the Batman movie.  (All those European gun laws made THEM real safe, eh?)
And we though it wouldn’t happen here!?

And you think its over now?  The worst is yet to come.  We will reap what we sow for a generation to come…. Until we stop teaching our kids to kill.~

Feeling Good by A Girl and Her Gun

~My extra bag of rice, my gun, my ammo, my kerosene heater are of real value to my survival. I used no government funds to purchase those items. In fact the purchase of those items only helped contribute positively to a failing economy. I have never harmed a single person. I am of no threat to you. Your desire to label me crazy and limit my rights will only serve to put me at more risk and it has ZERO chance of doing anything for you other than to make you feel good.

Please forgive me, but your facade of happiness just isn’t worth my life. I won’t hand it over without a fight.~

The mental health crisis/real school security, video games as parenting, and the desire to absolve our guilt – to feel better – all need to be addressed and solved, lest these behaviors continue.  And lest our rights be taken away for no good reason.

PS - Bobbi punctuates EVERYTHING with common sense!

~Know the facts.  Know the “official facts” even if you choose to doubt them — and get expert advice.  The “rifle found in a car” was contentious issue here at Roseholme Cottage, until Tam found video of it being removed: it’s a scary, black…pump-action shotgun! She was pretty sure of make and model from the low-rez image, thanks to her years shooting and working at gun stores. (Remember, the media talking heads reporting this stuff know a lot less about guns than you do — and they’re being briefed by police who are used to dumbing things down for them.)~

~Know your audience.  In my blog, I can talk about the deterrent effect of removing legal barriers to teachers and school employees being armed if they chose to be (and qualify for whatever carry permit their state offers!).  In the lunchroom at work, not so much.  Don’t be That Guy; we can’t afford it just now.~

OKAY, that’s really four, not three!  Regardless, take a few minutes and read each of these wise bloggers’ entire posts.  I’d say doing so is for the children, but that would just be pandering.  It’s for ALL OF US!

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I'm a child of the 50's. libertarian, now medically-retired. I've been a certified firearms trainer, a private investigator, and worked for a major credit card company for almost 22 years. I am a proud NRA Life Member. I am a limited-government, free-market capitalist, who believes in the U.S. Constitution and the Rule of Law.

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20 thoughts on “The Triumvirate On Gun Control

  1. My $.02, FWIW, coming from a non-gunnie perspective. From my own personal experience, I see this Conn. situation (and many of the recent others) as a mental health issue, not a gun control issue. Here’s why:

    When I was in high school, my best friend’s older brother had severe mental illness. He spent time in the state hospital, and was released. One night, he went back to the hospital and begged to be readmitted. They refused. He left, and then returned with a knife, and attacked a number of the staff. Thankfully, none were killed, but some were severely injured.

    I’m not a mental health expert (nor have I played on on TV), but he was a mentally ill young man, just as Jared Lee Loughner, James Holmes, Cho Seung-Hui, and this latest perpetrator Adam Lanza.

    I don’t blame guns (although it’s easier to spread more mayhem with them) nor do I blame video games or movies (although it is possible that they may have an effect on the already unbalanced). The attack I just described predated “Grand Theft Auto” and its ilk, as well as the hyper-violent movies like the “Saw” franchise.

    What we need to do is to get serious about mental illness and start treating these people like the sick they are.

    The Left blames Ronald Reagan for cutting social programs, the Right apparently blames the ACLU. Whatever. I don’t care. Pointing fingers doesn’t solve anything.

    We need to work on erasing the stigma of mental illness so that patients and families feel free to ask for the help they need. (Lanza’s mother paid for her reluctance to reach out for help with her life). We need to get past the idea that popping an anti-depressant is a cure-all for severe mental illness.

    Mental illness is REAL, and it needs to be taken much more seriously than it currently is.

    Posted by Tomi | December 20, 2012, 8:00 am
  2. We heard this same song and dance about mental illness after the school massacre in Co in 1999. A few mental illness programs were enacted to satisfy a few groups. Then when the funding ran out, the programs were cancelled and nobody said anything. So it isn’t a mental illness problem.

    The murderer in the FT. Hood massacre was/is a Muslim, and that quickly became a non-fact for many. It was called work place violence by the same man that is now trying to enact more “gun control” for a “mentally ill” murderer’s crimes.

    The fact that the murderer in Conn was mentally ill is a non-fact for me. I don’t care.

    Both men did the same thing. They both premeditatedly plan to go in to a Victims ‘R Us zone and kill an many as they could.

    The only difference was 15 dead people.

    Wake up.

    Evil is Evil.

    Quit making excuses.

    What’s happening now is all about taking away freedoms and taking more control of our lives. The “gun control” is simply a path to that end.

    Posted by Matt | December 20, 2012, 9:40 am
    • My concern on the mental illness thing is two part:
      Part 1 – What can/should we do about this issue? Schoolchildren are being given Ritalin like candy; the homeless are largely mentally ill folk released from care, some of whom have potential for violence.
      Part 2 – If this does become an issue addressed in the ‘gun control’ debate, what form will it take? Will it be used to ‘put people on a list’ because they lost it one afternoon, and now cannot use their right to bear arms? Is is just really about control?
      I’m just welcoming open discussion, Matt, and I appreciate you’re contribution!

      Posted by guffaw1952 | December 20, 2012, 9:52 am
      • With part 1, I think it shouldn’t be an issue with this. The “Ritalin” issue has been talked about for years and nothing has been done up to this point. Why now?

        Allowing it to be brought in now is introducing a red herring into the “discussion” is a set-up for screening people in part 2. see my post yesterday regarding the medical releases, that will be turned over to the government upon demand.

        Gfa we both know that this isn’t really going to be a “discussion” in the end. “They”, the folks in charge, are going to yammer on about this and “they” expect us to shut up and listen and go along with whatever they decide. That’s how they really want to define “this discussion”.

        And while I was being harsh above, it was far less harsh than what those 27 people got handed to them.

        What irritates the heck out of me is the fact that the commenter before me brought up everything BUT the two things that really have any bearing on this. The EVIL involved and the “gun free zones” mandated by the governments that now make them criminal accomplices in all these situations.

        Sorry, I guess I’ve been in front of the radio, tv, and computer too much this last week.

        My Apologies

        Posted by Matt | December 20, 2012, 10:09 am
      • No need or reason to apologize, my friend!
        You bring up excellent points.
        I think your assessment regarding “discussion” is sadly, probably correct.
        I didn’t see you as being harsh, I saw you as being direct.
        And, yes, she didn’t mention the presence of EVIL, nor the ‘gun free zones’. Nor did I.
        Mea culpa.
        Diverting slightly from this post, my following post brings home something else of which we should all be aware.
        Statists are going to keep bombarding us with whatever controls they can muster, in hopes more will be adopted. If more people were as vigilant as you, Matt, we wouldn’t have to blog about this stuff!
        Thank you for your vigilance!

        Posted by guffaw1952 | December 20, 2012, 10:55 am
    • the tools used are important: if Lanza only had access to a hunting knife there is no way he would have slaughtered as many as he did. you are staring into a blind-spot if you cant see the link between lethal weapons and death.

      Posted by warren | December 23, 2012, 9:59 am
  3. Gfa, see my post today ( Saturday, 12-22 )

    Posted by Matt | December 22, 2012, 10:49 am
  4. Guffaw, Warren is a troll. I’ve seen him spouting his manure over on A Girl’s blog.
    And I understand he’s been at it on others beyond hers as well.

    He only wants to cause problem with his phony praise for the soldiers and circular logic. He talks of banning things being the reason others weapons aren’t used.

    In fact, Adam Lanza was banned from having firearms due to his age. Didn’t work very well.

    Maybe if you ban trolls he will just go away since he believes that’s banning stuff works do well.

    Posted by Matt | December 24, 2012, 8:31 pm
  5. Cars are responsible for many more deaths. Lets ban them. How about alcohol? Remember how well that kind of gov’t control worked.

    Posted by guffaw1952 | December 23, 2012, 11:25 am
  6. Warren, I will make sure to wave at you when you pass by on a cattle car on your way to the gas chamber or execution pit.

    Guffaw is right.

    Posted by Matt | December 23, 2012, 1:41 pm
  7. Warren, if guns were so dangerous in the hands of all these pro-gun folk as you anti-gun folk make us out to be, then truth be known…. you anti-gunners would have been extinct a very long time ago. Think about it.

    We don’t need nor want you to control our lives, If all your little “gun free” zones were worth a dime this wouldn’t have happened. Criminals with guns seek out these “victims ‘R us” zones, they never go to where they think someone might be able to stop them.

    And might I inform you that you are a racist. Were have you been all this time? Guffaw’s blog has been here for awhile now. All this time the innocent black people in Chicago were being slaughtered to the tune of at least a 2 dozen a month, you weren’t here bleating about gun control then. But when it’s a bunch of white kids that get slaughtered…. here you are wagging your finger in our faces trying to teach us about the evils of guns. I see how you roll, you bigot. Taking my guns away won’t stop criminals from getting them….

    You are also a coward in this matter by coming here spouting your drivel to those who you know will not respond to you in violence. I seriously doubt you went to Chicago to tell those criminals who “illegally” possess guns and try your garbage on them. You wimp. You’re too chicken to pick on those guys because you know what it will get you. However you bring this, “at the hands of a gun trained family member” and try it on us. Again what about all the untrained folk in Chicago who seem to hit everyone but their intended target…. They kill far more people.

    You are a dishonest liar by trying this here. D you honestly think that we don’t know about the FBI statistics that prove that non criminal gun possession (all guns types) have been proven to reduce violent crime in a given area ? These facts have been out for years but we get the same ol’ load of horse manure from your side every time some criminal gets a gun in his hands and kills white people.

    You are pathetic…. along with the rest of your anti-gun zealots. No integrity at all it seems.

    I’m done with you.

    Posted by Matt | December 24, 2012, 11:41 am
  8. This is a very serious topic, although, Matt, you made me laugh aloud!

    Posted by guffaw1952 | December 23, 2012, 1:59 pm
  9. Yeah, because that’s worked so well with drugs, bootleg booze et al.

    Posted by guffaw1952 | December 24, 2012, 7:44 am
  10. +10 on Matt!
    Nothing more need be said.

    Posted by guffaw1952 | December 24, 2012, 1:15 pm

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