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There are “No Good Cops”! Or any other public official…(?)

“No Good Cops”

That’s what Kent’s Hooligan Libertarian Blog says…

He suggests that any cop doing his job (i.e. enforcing current non-libertarian laws) is simply a tool of the State, not unlike the folks who ‘did as they were told’.  The Nuremberg Defense.  To wit:

But then consider:  Has this person ever enforced a single counterfeit “law”?  Any anti-drug “law”, anti-gun “law”, “tax law”, speed limit, seat belt enforcement, property “code”asset forfeiture, etc.?  If so, the person isn’t a “good cop”- certainly not a good person while acting as a cop.

Some cops may be less evil than others; I certainly hope so.  But “less evil” falls very short of “good”.

I come from a family of cops, with a cop (and Marine) history.  I know they enforced the laws as written, including  those laws with which they may have personally disagreed.  They took an oath.

Of course, much of the legislation with which Kent disagrees hadn’t been passed, yet, when they were ‘on the job’.  And I know some ‘street justice’ also occurred.  Contempt of cop and all that.

But, I do believe they were good and honorable men.  Here Kevin and I disagree.

This got me to thinking.  Do we hold those persons who took an oath to the letter of said oath?  

Police Officers?

Senators and Representatives?

The President?

United States Constitution under Article IV it states:
“The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution…
(U. S. Constitution 1787)

The American Dictionary of the English Language, define an oath as:
“A solemn affirmation or declaration, made with an appeal to God for truth of what is affirmed. The appeal to God in an oath, implies that the person imprecates his vengeance and renounces his favor if the declaration is false,or if the declaration is a promise, the person invokes the vengeance of God if he should fail to fulfill it. A false oath is called perjury.
(Webster Dictionary 1828)

The presidential oath of office is required by Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution, which deals with the executive branch and outlines how the president is elected. In part, it reads:

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:–”I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

HAVE ANY OF THESE CLOWNS IN WASHINGTON EVER TAKEN THEIR OATH SERIOUSLY?  WILL THE STREET COP, WHEN ORDERED TO DISARM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, DO SO WITH IMPUNITY?  WHAT ABOUT THEIR OATH?  HOW MANY PRESIDENTS WERE/ARE IMPEACHABLE FOR DELIBERATELY DISOBEYING THE ESSENCE OF THEIR OATH?

What ARE we doing?

We have a court system for bad cops, and a Constitutional system to remove bad politicians.  Including Presidents.  When do we hold their feet to the fire?

Why are we dragging our feet?

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I'm a child of the 50's. libertarian, now medically-retired. I've been a certified firearms trainer, a private investigator, and worked for a major credit card company for almost 22 years. I am a proud NRA Life Member. I am a limited-government, free-market capitalist, who believes in the U.S. Constitution and the Rule of Law.

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12 thoughts on “There are “No Good Cops”! Or any other public official…(?)

  1. Absolutist thinking is never correct and often dangerous.
    No good cops.
    All Muslims are terrorists.
    All poor people are lazy.
    All rich people are greedy.
    Etc.

    Posted by Tomi | April 10, 2013, 7:50 am
  2. The level of not doing their constitutional job is so wide spread that our checks and balances have failed. But what do we do about it?

    Posted by ProudHillbilly | April 10, 2013, 9:15 am
  3. Good questions all!

    Posted by Rev. Paul | April 10, 2013, 9:39 am
  4. As for the politicians, their oaths are a joke. Not even worth discussing. Things there have gotten so bad that anybody wishing to become a politicians is either already corrupt, or very soon to be, or (rare) promptly out on his righteous ear. The system could not stomach a virtuous politician and would vomit it out promptly. We’ve seen cases over and over where a party (either party) turns on one of its own because he won’t go along.

    Cops? Most aren’t vicious thugs or the cities would be even more hellish than they already are. But I don’t disagree with Kent in one particular, and I’ve said this for years and years:

    If “good cops” want to be recognized as such, if they want to earn those free donuts we’d all cheerfully fork over under the right circumstances, all they need to do is One Simple Thing. Turn on the “bad apples” and drive them from their midst. Don’t just snitch on them behind the scenes. Disfellowship them, repudiate them, excommunicate them as not worthy of the uniform. Do it publicly, enthusiastically, frequently (until they’re gone) and with extreme prejudice. I promise, those who did that would find themselves highly respected in their communities.

    Until that happens, expect them to be dismissed as just another street gang. If you’re truly elite, you do not tolerate those who give your fellowship a bad name. If you do so tolerate evil, you’re no better than Jamal the Crip and you will be treated as such.

    And they do tolerate it. They lie and remain silent to protect it. And so there are no good cops. There could be, but there aren’t. Sorry, Guffaw, it’s just a fact. Maybe in your father’s day there were still good cops. I even met a few when I was young. Not now.

    As for street cops carrying out unconstitutional orders: That ship has sailed. We already know what they ‘protect and serve,’ and it sure as hell isn’t the taxpayers. Cops in NY stopping and frisking people for walking while black. Cops in NO disarming the innocent and ignoring (or joining) the looters. Cops in LA behaving worse than the street gangs they compete with but do not deter. And all the other cops playing Sergeant Schultz. I have no confidence than any cop will ever disobey any order due to righteous compunction.

    Posted by Joel | April 10, 2013, 10:04 am
    • Wow, Joel.
      I expected this kind of comment from you. (I do appreciate your input!)
      If this is indeed the case, the question then becomes – What do we do about it?
      Knuckle under?
      Anarchy?
      I’m open to viable suggestions.
      gfa

      Posted by guffaw1952 | April 10, 2013, 10:11 am
      • I already told you the only solution I can even imagine, though I certainly don’t predict it soon. Cops like to be seen as the elite among men, the warrior class, the thin blue shell, et cetera. They never really were any of that, and it’s not as though brutal and thuggish cops are a new thing – I’ve been in a Valdosta jail. But cops in general used to have a better reputation than they do now.

        They let the situation get this bad, by permitting the culture of fear that keeps urban cops quiet about corruption, by encouraging and enforcing the culture of Authoritah that makes them feared and hated by people who don’t consider themselves criminals. When it became proclaimed that law enforcement has no responsibility to protect individual citizens, law enforcement lost its last excuse for existence in the eyes of those citizens. Only law enforcement can turn back the clock.

        So what do *we* do about it? Nothing. Lay low. Avoid cops. Knuckle under when necessary. In extreme cases, the three eshes may be necessary.

        I’m not saying this with any pleasure. My opinion of cops in general is well-documented, but I’ll let you in on a secret: I used to give local cops a lot more credit than I do now. They had to prove themselves bad men before I’d treat them so, even though (Valdosta jail) I knew what they could be like. A street cop in Florida once unambiguously saved my life. I was seventeen years old and bleeding to death beside the road, the lower part of my left leg lying beside me but no longer attached. He used his necktie (they used to wear neckties) to stop the bleeding while he waited for the ambulance he had called.

        I’m not suggesting that cops literally go back to wearing neckties and silly hats. But they need to lose the SWAT accoutrements and start thinking of themselves as peace officers again. They need to stop telling us what heroes they are and become heroes. They need to purge their ranks of evil and damaged men, so desperate for respect they’ll beat it out of you if they have to.

        We can’t fix this, Guffaw. Only cops can. I don’t think they will.

        Posted by Joel | April 10, 2013, 12:15 pm
      • I appreciate your opinion and your candor!
        Guess we can hope…

        Posted by guffaw1952 | April 10, 2013, 4:18 pm
  5. They need to purge their ranks of evil and damaged men, so desperate for respect they’ll beat it out of you if they have to.
    We can’t fix this, Guffaw. Only cops can. I don’t think they will.

    Very good point!
    I would like to see them lose the “I’m above citizen status” mindset. They ARE citizens, NOT soldiers.
    If you don’t get thrown in a prison for quitting your job, you are a citizen, just like everyone else.

    It shouldn’t be a surprise that some are great, some just ‘phone it in’, some are bad. They are taken from a cross section of society and are a reflection of it…just like any other job.

    Posted by KM | April 10, 2013, 1:09 pm
    • “It shouldn’t be a surprise that some are great, some just ‘phone it in’, some are bad. They are taken from a cross section of society and are a reflection of it…just like any other job”
      Good point! I’ve often thought most of humanity was 20% incompetent/evil, 60% okay, 20% excellent. The numbers may not be exact, but you get the idea.
      Certainly this applies to law enforcement and the military as well…
      Only cops can fix this – TRUE!
      But we have to keep the pressure on the media to point out the problems, AND successes!

      Posted by guffaw1952 | April 10, 2013, 4:21 pm

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