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Starbucks, we hardly knew ye…

starbucks noWell, it was a nice run.

A few years back the ubiquitous coffee distribution chain Starbucks let it be known that as long as their patrons followed federal, state and local law, they could carry and possess weapons in their places of business.  The No Guns Allowed signs came down.

Why this is weird and/or shocking is weird and/or shocking.

And the gunnie community jumped on the bandwagon, promoting Starbucks within it’s ranks as a gun-friendly place.  I’m certain their revenues increased.  And two or three anti-gun rights freaks boycotted and wrote scathing letters!

Sadly, while O.C. (open carry) might be legal in many parts of the country, culturally it’s looked-down-upon, at least in some areas.  And parts of the gunnie community attempted to push the envelope by attending Starbucks in open possession of all manner of weaponry, including shotguns and rifles.

If we look ‘normal’ and unthreatening, it will become a cultural norm, and so on…

Sadly, there continue to be hoplophobes.  Those folks who see a real firearm from 50 yards away (or a toy or a squirt gun, or a paintball gun, or a child making a pistol image with his thumb and forefinger) AND THEY FREAK OUT!

And many of these folks (the previous two or three?) wrote threatening letters to businesses with whom they have issues.

Starbucks recently responded, stating while the current policy remains in force, they are asking the firearms community to leave their guns at home!

I, for one, had hopes the fear subculture would change, and bringing a rifle or a pistol into a place of business wouldn’t be looked at any more askance than bringing a wallet.  Seriously, when I see someone with a gun in public, as long as it’s not being pointed at someone, my first thought is ‘Cool!  What kind is it?’

I don’t get coffee out much and rarely at Starbucks, anyway.  Guess, if I do, I’ll continue to carry concealed. But, at their policies and prices, I’ll probably go to Dutch Bros.!  Locally, they had an armed employee stop a robbery of their shop, and they didn’t fire him!

They gave him a raise!

Dutchbros Coffee.


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I'm a child of the 50's. libertarian, now medically-retired. I've been a certified firearms trainer, a private investigator, and worked for a major credit card company for almost 22 years. I am a proud NRA Life Member. I am a limited-government, free-market capitalist, who believes in the U.S. Constitution and the Rule of Law.


18 thoughts on “Starbucks, we hardly knew ye…

  1. I’m not a coffee drinker, OR a gun owner, so I really don’t have a dog in this fight.

    I am sort of anti-Starbucks (even though I’m a Seattle native!) just because they are an overgrown behemoth! And, their cowardly censorship of their corporate logo (beyond the original Pike Place location).

    In this particular issue, Dutch Bros. has a huge advantage over Starbucks in that they are drive-through only. So, there’s no place for customers to see other customers and get freaked out. Also, the employees manning the booth can arm themselves and a customer driving through would never know.

    I was poking around their website (thanks to your post!) and I find it very interesting that they only allow current franchise owners or employees to start new franchises. That tells me that they consider their culture and values more important than growth.

    Posted by Tomi | September 19, 2013, 8:01 am
    • I’ve no problem with corporate behemothy(?), after all, the free market should determine profit and growth. And my choice whether or not to contribute to the same.
      But, I will support those corporations who seem to share my values.

      Posted by guffaw1952 | September 19, 2013, 8:07 am
      • No, I’m not automatically anti-corporate behemothy (love your term!). After all, my husband works for one! It’s just that Starbucks sort of became such a joke with one (and sometimes more than one) on every corner.

        All things being equal, though, I do prefer to patronize local businesses when I can. It keeps my money in the local economy. Studies have shown that by buying from locally owned businesses, twice as much of your money stays in your community, rather than flowing out to who-knows-where.

        By no means do I claim to do this all the time, it’s almost impossible in today’s world. I shop at Target, because, let’s face it, local general department stores are as common as dinosaurs.

        Posted by Tomi | September 19, 2013, 8:47 am
      • And Target is French. At least Walmart is American (in ownership).
        As we diverge from the topic, my concern is folks who dislike things corporate, because they are corporate and make money.
        Wouldn’t we all like to start a small business and have it grow to the likes of a Starbucks?

        Posted by guffaw1952 | September 19, 2013, 1:19 pm
  2. Starbucks, the hippiest of the hipster coffee joints, was begun by hippies in Seattle. This latest is not a surprise, and I’m amazed it took them this long to show their true colors. But the corporation can behave as it pleases; I’m not going to become my enemy & insist that guns must be allowed, after all. But I’m also free to spend my money elsewhere.

    And so I shall.

    Posted by Rev. Paul | September 19, 2013, 8:47 am
  3. Too bad the gunnies that won the initial victory with Starbucks just couldn’t stand the prosperity.
    As ‘Sharp as a Marble’ Rob pointed out, Thou shall not be a dick when carrying a gun.

    From the SB company memo:
    Pro-gun activists have used our stores as a political stage for media events misleadingly called “Starbucks Appreciation Days” that disingenuously portray Starbucks as a champion of “open carry.”

    They wanted to stay neutral and some folks just didn’t want to let it be.

    Posted by KM | September 19, 2013, 9:53 am
  4. I get it, I really do. But now Starbucks has effectively asked for a “GUN FREE ZONE” whether they posted a sign or not.

    With the GFZ massacres in mind that have occurred starting withe the Ft. Hood Shootings, I say we give them what they want and let nature take it’s natural course, then promptly say, “We told you so.”

    Posted by Matt from Tall Tree / Short Rope | September 19, 2013, 10:42 am
  5. I’ve dealt with Shultz years ago. He is an asshole, plus I don’t like their coffee. In this case, I tend to agree with him. They sell coffee, and shouldn’t have their business used by any faction trying to make a point.

    Of course, should you need a few feet of a city park to make a new driveway into your home, just go ahead and take it. Then get all defensive when you are called on your b.s.

    Posted by WellSeasonedFool | September 19, 2013, 12:16 pm
  6. I get called out and questioned for carrying a camera tripod …
    Hoplophiliacs can also be a problem … extremists of any sort won’t allow a middle ground

    Posted by Quizikle | September 19, 2013, 3:44 pm
  7. I don’t like stabucks coffee or prices so don’t frequent the business regardless of what I am carrying. If I buy coffee it is at Circle K stores. I can carry openly in them without being looked oddly at. I stopped at one about 3am in the morning several years ago. I was headed out hunting and was wearing camo with a holstered sidearm. The nice young lady at the counter asked me to wait with her until the police showed up. She had called them becuase the low-lifes working on their car in the parking lot had threatened her in some fashion. I sipped my coffee, chit chatted and waved to the police officer as he pulled into the parking lot a few minutes later. It is nice to live in a smallish town and be a regular at neighborhood stores.

    Posted by Matt | September 20, 2013, 8:22 am

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