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“We Don’t Have Time For This!”

Two North Carolina parents are in shock after local police shot and killed their 18-year-old son in their own home, while they watched helplessly.

The family called police because they were worried about their son, Keith Vidal, who is schizophrenic and suffers from depression, according to local news. Vidal, armed with a small screwdriver, was apparently having a psychotic episode. Mark Wilsey, Vidal’s father, called the authorities to help deal with the situation.

An officer from the Brunswick County Sheriff’s Office and another from the Boiling Spring Lakes police department showed up to the house soon after. Eventually, a third officer from the Southport police department entered the home as well, and ordered the use of tasers to subdue Vidal. According to Wilsey, Vidal was pinned on the ground by two of the officers when a third said, “we don’t have time for this,” and shot Vidal, killing him.

Vidal had just turned 18, and weighed a mere 90 pounds. He couldn’t have hurt anyone with the screwdriver, and had no history of violence according to family and friends.  (The Daily Caller)

Now, of course, none of us were there, and we weren’t the responding officers.  HOWEVER, while my tendency is to support law enforcement, this appears lazy, at best.  And it’s not the best.

What do YOU think?

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I'm a child of the 50's. libertarian, now medically-retired. I've been a certified firearms trainer, a private investigator, and worked for a major credit card company for almost 22 years. I am a proud NRA Life Member. I am a limited-government, free-market capitalist, who believes in the U.S. Constitution and the Rule of Law.

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16 thoughts on ““We Don’t Have Time For This!”

  1. An absolutely horrific story! I went and read some of the related articles on the local paper’s website. Judging by the comments left on the stories, a lot of the local residents fear and mistrust the local police as there has been a pattern of this behavior in the past.
    Sadly, I know that I would probably be hesitant to EVER call the authorities on a loved one, as past experience within my own family has taught me that the police are not to be trusted to respond appropriately. Basically, if you call the police, you’ve signaled that deadly force is acceptable, if not expected.

    Posted by Tomi | January 21, 2014, 9:12 am
  2. It wouldn’t be acceptable for a judge to have a defendent brought in for a misdemeanor and simply rule “I don’t have time for this, guilty, death penalty, NEXT!” then pull a pistol from under his robes and shoot the defendent, so why would we say that it is acceptable for a policeman to do exactly that? This case needs to be investigated as premeditated murder and the officer not able to use priviliged immunity to avoid prosecution should the facts support what we already know.

    Posted by AM | January 21, 2014, 1:51 pm
  3. From a link in one of the links: “Where is the justice, why did they shoot my son?,” she asked.
    “This is what’s wrong with our mental health system.”

    As a retired First Responder I can tell you that they are NOT the best trained first line in “the mental health system”.
    Unfortunately, the best trained, (mental health professionals), aren’t there first…we are. Medics and cops.
    (in Phx metro area)
    My first responsibility was to protect myself from batshit crazy people, second was protect my crew members. That was usually done by controlling the scene. A “command posture” if you will.
    If someone was a threat, they got taken down by a 4 man crew who all grabbed an extremity and rendered the person helpless on the floor/ground. (watch out for teeth) We tried NOT to hurt people.

    If this kid was tased and had the “typical” response to it, and had someone or two holding him down, this sounds like an execution. As AM alluded, “We don’t have time for this” is an insane statement to make.
    I disagree however that ANY officer has “priviliged immunity” in any aspect of their job.
    There may be others that will cover for them but ‘privileged immunity’ sounds like something in the law that we sure don’t have here. I *think* the judges and prosecutors have it but if a cop screws up in this state, that cop could be charged with any statute that applies providing his peers answer investigators truthfully.

    Posted by KM | January 21, 2014, 10:52 pm
  4. There HAS to be something else to this…

    Posted by Old NFO | January 22, 2014, 12:32 am
  5. The police do this because they can. They find an excuse to kill and then do so because they do not fear any kind of retaliation or punishment. Remember when this happened with the Phoenix police department? Officer killed an emotionally disturbed man for no reason. That officer was indicted and recently convicted. That conviction was due to the local media that would not let it drop, and the courage of the other officer on the scene to testify the truthe no matter what.

    Posted by Matt | January 22, 2014, 8:34 am
  6. I get angry when I hear law enforcement talking about their “safety”. Risk is part of the job; that is what they are hired to do, and presumable trained to do.

    In my misspent youth I worked “security” at sporting events and concerts. Often, at the end of the event, I would have a nice assortment of Boo boos. Just part of the job.

    Posted by WellSeasonedFool | January 22, 2014, 11:08 am
    • Bet you didn’t kill anyone because they were ‘inconvenient’, either!

      Posted by guffaw1952 | January 22, 2014, 11:09 am
      • What is that saying, “if your only tool is a hammer, everything is a nail?” Our methods did inflict intense temporary pain, and possible long term mental anguish to the special snowflakes. Today, we would get sued.

        Most police have more skill and guts than that sorry specimen who fired the shot. My oldest son, who is mentally challenged, once threatened two officers. Under their “rules of engagement’ they could have shot him. Instead, they wrestled him to the ground and handcuffed him. I am eternally grateful for their professionalism, and I told them exactly that.

        Posted by WellSeasonedFool | January 22, 2014, 1:21 pm
      • Glad to hear he wasn’t dispatched.

        Posted by guffaw1952 | January 22, 2014, 4:21 pm

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