Single mother Ivette Ros doesn’t go anywhere without her gun.
But the 37-year-old lost her job as a bank manager for bringing her gun to work at a Wells Fargo branch in Oldsmar.
“When we take our course for concealed weapons licenses, they do state the bank is a place we can take your weapon to, so I never thought otherwise until I was being questioned,” she said.
Ros doesn’t know who found out she was packing or how they found out, but she says bank security questioned her about the gun she was carrying. She says she was fired three days later. … (John Lott)
The courts, or at least lawyers, will fight this one out.
When I worked in the financial industry, the company was VERY clear there were to be no firearms on the premises. Period. Or in the parking lot; in our personal cars. Or at company-sponsored functions – even if we weren’t being paid or after-hours.
Over-reaching a bit, I think.
Thankfully, the Arizona State Legislature addressed the parking lot issue positively. And, as above, I suspect the other issues will be/or have been addressed in the courts or by lawyers.
Not exactly the same, but similarly…
I had a ‘friend’ some years back named Chip. I’ve written about him in these pages. He was a friend to me when I needed one, but was probably a sociopath. He was, at the very least passive-aggressive. We are no longer friends.
He was paranoid about being caught carrying a concealed weapon (before such a law existed in Arizona) so he did carry, openly. A lot. Now, as there was no CCW back then, the culture was different, and people were much more accepting of such behavior.
Back then banks were not off limits to gun carriers. They still are not, unless, of course the dreaded statutory sign is portrayed (in AZ.). But Chip would go to his bank regularly with his Colt Combat Commander in a belt holster for all to see.
I’m guessing some new clerk from a hoplophobic State saw it and freaked out. Nothing happened in the bank. He had done nothing wrong.
But, one Saturday morning about 0800, there was a knock on Chip’s apartment door. Two large suited individuals stood there, imposing. Chip used the pejorative word jamokes to describe them.
One spoke. “We don’ wan’ chuz carrying yor gun in da bank anymore.” (I’m certain his mimicking of the bank employee’s statement was slightly inaccurate in it’s portrayal.)
Chip nodded in the affirmative, and closed the door. Then, on Monday morning, he tracked down the bank president and called him. Such was his nature.
And he proceeded to dress down the bank, the bank president, his employees, his policies, and his lack of legal knowledge.
Then he moved his banking elsewhere. I’m certain THAT told the bank president!
I’m all about every able-bodied, legally-able citizen to be able to carry. Openly, concealed…I don’t care. ANYWHERE. Banks, schools, shopping malls, hospitals, where we work – anyplace bad stuff might happen.
Because bad stuff DOES happen. And we cannot predict where or when.
But, let’s not be dicks about it.
or rather (oops, my mistake), by the dealer’s government agency watchdog…
“It is clear that agency rules were not followed in many of the incidents, which show at least 49 guns were lost or stolen nationwide between 2009 and 2013.”
“The newly released ATF reports show that between 2009 and 2013, agents lost their guns or had them stolen in at least 45 incidents — with a couple of the cases involving the loss of three firearms.
It is unclear if the records include “missing” guns, a separate category used by the agency.
Most of the lost weapons were handguns, but there also were at least two assault rifles stolen. Typically the reports do not indicate what happened to the unrecovered guns. However, in a November 2008 incident, the gun may have wound up in Mexico, according to the report.”
“The report cited examples similar to those in the documents obtained by the Journal Sentinel, with agents leaving weapons in public bathrooms, atop their vehicles, on an airplane and one in a shopping cart.”
Via Katie Pavlich
I sit here wondering how this compares with licensed firearms dealer records, and, of course, the whole Fast & Furious debacle. And wonder if any of the BATFE missing arms are responsible for crimes or even murders?
Inquiring minds want to know.
h/t David Hardy
Firehand shares that information with us…
Who’s actually committing the murders? A very small number
of people with particular connections.
No, our new focus isn’t on neighborhoods like Alton Park or East Chattanooga but instead on “hot” places” and “hot” people. In an article entitled, “The Story Behind the Nation’s Falling Body Count,” Kennedy writes, “Research on hot spots shows violence to be concentrated in ‘micro’ places, rather than ‘dangerous neighborhoods,’ as the popular idea goes. Blocks, corners, and buildings representing just five or six percent of an entire city will drive half of its serious crime.”
The same is true about people. “We now know that homicide and gun violence are overwhelmingly concentrated among serious offenders operating in groups: gangs, drug crews, and the like representing under half of one percent of a city’s population who commit half to three-quarters of all murders.”
Kennedy writes, “We also know some reliable predictors of risk: individuals who have a history of violence or a close connection with prior victims are far more likely to be involved in violence themselves. Hot groups and people are so hot that when their offending is statistically abstracted, their neighborhoods cease to be dangerous. Their communities aren’t dangerous; (these criminals) are.”
What’ve we been saying for years? ‘Stop worrying about objects and worry about the people who commit the crimes.’ Which seems to cover it nicely. Will the hoplophobes and bigots listen? Mostly no.
When someone bombs someone, do we blame the bomb? No, we blame the bomber. But guns are objects of scorn and derision, I suspect largely because of their portability and concealability.
And the people who commit crimes with guns are a very small minority of those possessing them.
And this woman is a United States Senator!
AND, a gun owner and a CCW holder in California!
Can you say idiot and hypocrite? I knew you could.
h/t John Bradley, Doomsday Economy
A federal judge who endorsed “suspicion-less” searches of laptops, cameras and cell phones at the border has set up a possible Supreme Court showdown challenging what critics call “Constitution-free zones” and the Obama administration’s dragnet approach to national security.
I don’t normally side with the ACLU. but…
“I think Americans are justifiably becoming increasingly surprised and even outraged by the extent to which the national security state seems to be monitoring and collecting information about us all,” said ACLU Attorney Catherine Crump. “We think that having a purely suspicion-less policy is wrong, because it leaves border agents with no standards at all to follow. That opens the door that people will be [targeted] for inappropriate reasons.”
Constitution-Free Zones? Seriously? Of course, we already have these elsewhere (airports, train stations, sobriety checkpoints,
stop-and-frisk cities (Oh, wait! They stopped doing THAT!) :-) Score one for our side!
h/t Fox News
The Whited Sepulchre often brings us tables of a statistical nature, but unlike dry statistics, they are oft nourished with the cream of truth! To wit…
How freakin’ huge is your share of what Obama is spending? If you’re a smart person and not even bothering to work any more, your share of the government’s fifty-year spending spree is only around $50,000.00. If you’re one of the dwindling number of net taxpayers, your share is around $100,000.00.
Would you like to turn back the clock and make a few changes in this? (BTW, the debt is now close to 17 trillion. Remember the good old days shown here, when it was only 10 trillion?)
Let’s move on. would you like to earn a dollar and be able to keep the dollar for longer than a few minutes without it losing value?
The Federal Reserve was given the job of stabilizing the money supply way back in 1913. Here’s what has happened to the value of a dollar (as determined by the money supply) since 1971. The red line represents the inflation rate – AKA the increase money supply.
Want to invent a time machine, turn back the clock, and for the sake of everyone on a fixed income tell Tricky Dicky Nixon to leave us on the gold standard?
Let’s move on to Nixon’s dirty little War On Drugs, and what it’s done to the incarceration rate. (BTW, a white woman has a one in 111 chance of going to jail at some point in her life. But for a black dude, it’s a one in 3 chance.)
Want to turn back the clock and convince Nixon that his War On Drugs is a bad idea? Or is wanting to turn back the clock, under any circumstances, a sign that someone is a racist reactionary?
Has it worked?
Are we going to keep doing it?
Well, do Barack and the Democrats rely on Narc, Jailer, DEA, Homeland Security, Torturer, Prison Contractor and Police Force votes to get elected?
That’s why we’re going to keep doing this crap.
Former Representative Gabby Giffords remembered her almost fatal assault the other day by skydiving – celebrating her life!
And, Good for Her…as far as that goes…
I’ve friends and relatives on Facebook who praised her as being courageous and brave.
But, she and her astronaut husband Mark Kelly are still actively involved in an organization they helped found with a goal of more gun control for the law-abiding!
I don’t think so.
Here she is with one of the rifles she owns and wants to have further controlled.
Hypocritical AND Cowardly.
No ‘hero’ in my book!
From John Lott:
. . . The government in Josephine County, where nearly 70 percent of the land is owned by the U.S. government, had long relied on federal timber subsidies to pay the bills. When the feds terminated the funds, county officials scrambled to pass a May 2012 tax levy to make up a nearly $7.5 million budget shortfall.
However, the county’s residents voted against the levy, and as a result the Josephine County Sheriff’s Office was gutted. The major crimes unit closed, dozens of prisoners were released from the county jail and the department reduced operations to Monday-Friday, eight hours a day.
What do you think will happen next?
Maddox and Platt were responsible for the death of 2 FBI agents, and the upgrading of FBI armament from revolvers to semiautomatics. They were sociopaths who trained with their guns. (The Miami FBI Massacre)
Most of us armchair blog reader/occasional shooters think that because most criminals are lazy, if we have a modicum of training, we can defeat them on the street. After all, criminals don’t train.
Ever see a video of convicts ‘taking exercise’? If they are not lifting weights, they are practicing disarmament techniques in the yard. And (per this article) many criminals get more and regular target practice than we (the good guys) get!
We might get lucky disarming some 12 year old meth freak trying to rob the local convenience store with a nail file, but, anyone who makes a living doing violent crime probably has the practice and the tools to fight back.
Many guys (and gals) practice karate or some martial art through kata (forms) and kumite (pretend combat). For every cage fighter there are 1000 folks out there pretending to hit each other. Hardly a skill valuable in the real world. Can you break a board? My daughter broke a 1″ pine board in her Second Grade karate class. It’s all about focus.
And the stones.
Keep practicing. As an exercise, think through scenarios in your head (What would I do if the guy at Denny cash register pulled a gun?)
Continue to be aware of your surroundings, AND your limitations.
“Man’s got to know his limitations.” - ’Dirty’ Harry Callahan
Per my daily almanac, today is the birthday in 1915 of Ol’ Blue Eyes himself, Frank Sinatra.
Whether or not you love or hate the guy, his music, his style, and his connections made him a force to reckon with in both the entertainment industry and politics. My high school choral teacher said he had the best phrasing, except for the whole “do be do be do” thing.
He came from nowhere, got ‘connected’, and the Mob allegedly paid girls to scream when he first performed live. He went to Hollywood, and it was thought his career had tanked. Then, he showed he could act. And he was renewed.
He was friends with mob guys like Sam Giancana, politicians like Jack Kennedy, and beauties like Marilyn Monroe. After Bogie passed away in 1957, he assumed chairmanship of The Rat Pack – a group of cool dudes including a black guy, Sammy Davis, Jr. This integration was unheard of in 50′s Hollywood.
He was a loyal friend. When Sammy got in trouble with the IRS, he didn’t tell the guys. Frank found out and called him, and asked, “How much are you in for?” $15 million was the reply. “I’ll write you a check.” said Frank.
He passed in 1998. Way too soon for my taste.
He did it his way.