Officer involved shooting near Phoenix gun shop
PHOENIX – A robbery at a gun shop in Phoenix led to an officer involved shooting early Monday.
Officers and a SWAT team were searching for one suspect in the area of 19th Avenue and Camelback Road shortly after 6 a.m. while two others had been detained.
One suspect may have been shot in the hand. No officers were hurt.
Traffic was stopped between Camelback and Missouri roads on 19th Avenue for a couple of hours but have since been re-opened.
As of 7 a.m. police had conducted the residential search and all side streets were re-opened.
The residential area search on 19th Ave. (OIS) is complete, side streets are open. Clearing the gun store and adjacent buildings now.
— Phoenix Police (@phoenixpolice) March 3, 2014
The light rail was also affected, with passengers being asked to get off and a bus will take them to the next station.
By 8 a.m. it was back to running on normal schedule.
Jim Cross, Reporter
Well, THIS got my blood pumping this morning! This was the gun store where I used to hang out (and allegedly ‘worked’ part-time) a few years back! And I saw the headline and the location and freaked out!
Of course, reporters are not lawyers. Or cops, or even have a clue about most things, apparently (excluding Biff, of course!).
You see, it was an attempted BURGLARY of a closed store, NOT a robbery! No store personnel were present. It was dark out, before breakfast Monday morning! The store opens @ 10:00 A.M. I’m guessing crack reporter Mr. Cross doesn’t understand that robbery and burglary are NOT synonymous!
(connected to the previous post regarding the State of Connecticut preparing to confiscate previously ‘legally-owned’ ‘assault weapons’*)
In a video posted Thursday to YouTube, Connecticut State Police Spokesman Lt. Paul Vance is heard telling a woman identified as “GMN Producer Guerilla Girl Ashley” that she sounded anti-American for questioning the state’s new gun control law.
“I want to know, if it comes down to it, will the police go to my home if my husband refuses to give up a weapon that was formerly legal and now has been made illegal by a corrupt legislature?” she asked. “Will the police actually go to my home and threaten my family, ’cause I’m scared to death?”
“We don’t threaten people, ma’am,” Lt. Vance said. “That doesn’t happen.”
“If you’re going with the force of government, that’s a threat,” she responded.
“Ma’am, it sounds like you’re anti-American, it sounds like you’re anti-law. I can’t answer your question,” Lt. Vance remarked.
Later, after Ashley said Lt. Vance works for the people of the state, he informed her that he, in fact, is her master.
“You’re the servant, we’re the master,” she said.
“I’m the master, ma’am. I’m the master,” he said in response.
Peter, a retired law enforcement officer himself, stated a response so much more eloquently than I:
Lt. Vance, I have news for you – and I speak as a retired law enforcement officer. If you take that attitude and that approach with me, you’ll have violated your oath of law enforcement office – the same oath I swore, and which remains binding on my conscience and my actions to this day. In consequence you won’t be my ‘master’ at all . . . you’ll be a felon, and I’ll be entirely within my rights when I deal with you as such. Nor will I be the only one to do so. As Sean Sorrentino asks, “What happens when both sides make a list?“
Just who the hell do you think you are, Lt. Vance? And if your attitude is typical of the Connecticut State Police, when did that organization abandon its mission and its collective oath of office to become nothing more than a collection of jackbooted thugs? (more at Bayou Renaissance Man)
When I went to college getting my Administration of Justice diploma, they taught us that the job of a peace officer was to enforce the law, preserve order and protect the rights of all. Obviously, they are no longer teaching that, or the curriculum has changed.
And THAT is a problem.
(*assault weapons – whatever a legislature decides they are. See also Saturday Night Special.)
“Will wonders never cease?” - Guffaw, February 22, 2014
The above words actually exited my mouth when I saw the following:
It’s not a murder charge, but it’s more than I expected.
Little steps, people.
h/t Firehand, Bob Owens
Kevin Baker brings us the news…
News out of L.A. last week:
Eight Los Angeles police officers who opened fire on two women delivering newspapers in a pickup truck during the hunt for Christopher Dorner violated the LAPD’s policy on using deadly force, the department’s oversight body found Tuesday.
In making its ruling, the Police Commission followed the recommendation of LAPD Chief Charlie Beck, who faulted the officers for jumping to the conclusion that Dorner was in the truck. Beck said the officers compounded their mistake by shooting in one another’s direction with an unrestrained barrage of gunfire.
Reports made public Tuesday offered new details of the hours that led up to the shooting and how it erupted into a wild, one-sided firefight in which the officers fired shotguns and handguns more than 100 times. One woman was shot twice in the back; her daughter received superficial wounds.
A panel of high-ranking police officials that reviewed the shooting urged Beck to clear the officers of wrongdoing, according to several sources who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the case.
Violated policy. POLICY. How about LAW? Common sense? Decency?
So, thirty days without donuts, or do they get a six-week paid vacation (suspension with pay)?
For those who don’t remember, L.A.P.D. has a history of being full of corrupt, mob-ridden, political creatures. Chief Parker decided to take the Hollywood approach, and use P.R. to shine the agencies image. TV shows like Dragnet and Adam-12 were the result.
All this while the Hat Squad was operating behind the scenes.
For Hollywood’s take on this, go watch Mullholland Falls and L.A. Confidential.
Rollo Tomasi, indeed!
Matt, a former blogger, occasional commenter and friend commented thus on a recent post of mine regarding the apparent wanton killing of a pinned suspect by ‘the authorities’.
I asked why such a thing could occur. His answer – because they can.
This is the crux of why I’m a libertarian, and not a left-wing socialist type. The Left seems to hold to the idea of the Philosopher King. Someone placed in charge by the gods to rule over us lesser folk, with wisdom and compassion. Even though many of them decry gods.
But, they forget kings are people. Human beings. Fallible, and with feet of clay. This is also why the
gun people control folks keep trying to tweak the system.
“If there is just one more law…” Yeah, right.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely? You bet!
I recall a story I heard some years ago about a local small business. The business had been burgled, and the sole proprietor diligently reported records of the missing property and damages to his insurance company and the authorities. They never caught the burglars. He received his insurance settlement and all was right with the world.
Except, because of all the damage, he mis-reported something that he thought stolen, and had been paid for it. And he tried to make things square with the insurance company and the police.
But, the insurance company filed a lawsuit against him, and made certain he was charged with filing a false police report!
The end result was he lost his business, his property, and was forced to pay a large fine.
As he stood in the back of the business behind the tape, watching ‘the authorities’ confiscate his remaining property, he asked one of the agents gleefully loading it up on government trucks, “Why are you doing this to me?”
His answer. “Because we can.”
I have a healthy distrust of government. I know many government employees who feel the same. It’s inherent in the system to accrue power.
And not give it back.
Just got back from my favorite “Fun” store. They had their ATF inspection last week. Notable in that the two ATF compliance tax agents were female. One black and one white. What is notable about that? It seems to me as if they hired a bunch of anti-gun non shooting sports types to work for them. Also notable is that they mentioned that North Carolina has been “given” 20 additional compliance teams. Also noteworthy (especially) is the NEW additional part of the inspection.
The black tax inspector spent the entire time photographing every single 4473. She even photographed all of the deferred or declined 4473s. Registration is here in North Carolina. If you own any firearms that you bought in a gun store on a 4473, you had better start trading them around. Fortunately I do not. Now I shall have to see if this was done at work since we had ours last month. Did not occur to me to inquire as that is not my department. (m21308)
We heard about this in Alaska, wherein attention was brought to bear by contacting their Senators. Has it been happening elsewhere? I thought this was a direct violation of a couple of federal firearms statutes? (And the race and gender of the agents is of no concern to me! – Guffaw)
Re: the ‘anti-gun non shooting sports’ types, I was lead to believe one couldn’t be a gun rights advocate, sport shooter, hunter or firearms collector and work for the ATF, as that was considered a conflict of interest!
Has this changed?
Funny, one can own and drive cars and work for the DMV…
h/t Brock Townsend, m21308
By Jim Harper
It got a lot of attention this morning when I tweeted, “You’re Eight Times More Likely to be Killed by a Police Officer than a Terrorist.” It’s been quickly retweeted dozens of times, indicating that the idea is interesting to many people. So let’s discuss it in more than 140 characters.
In case it needs saying: Police officers are unlike terrorists in almost all respects. Crucially, the goal of the former, in their vastest majority, is to have a stable, peaceful, safe, law-abiding society, which is a goal we all share. The goal of the latter is … well, it’s complicated. I’ve cited my favorite expert on that, Audrey Kurth Cronin, here and here and here. Needless to say, the goal of terrorists is not that peaceful, safe, stable society.
I picked up the statistic from a blog post called: “Fear of Terror Makes People Stupid,” which in turn cites the National Safety Council for this and lots of other numbers reflecting likelihoods of dying from various causes. So dispute the number(s) with them, if you care to.
You need to read the whole article, and it’s links.
This is the quote that came to mind, after I read them:
They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Benjamin Franklin, November 11, 1755
h/t Miss Cellania, Cato @ Liberty
A federal judge who endorsed “suspicion-less” searches of laptops, cameras and cell phones at the border has set up a possible Supreme Court showdown challenging what critics call “Constitution-free zones” and the Obama administration’s dragnet approach to national security.
I don’t normally side with the ACLU. but…
“I think Americans are justifiably becoming increasingly surprised and even outraged by the extent to which the national security state seems to be monitoring and collecting information about us all,” said ACLU Attorney Catherine Crump. “We think that having a purely suspicion-less policy is wrong, because it leaves border agents with no standards at all to follow. That opens the door that people will be [targeted] for inappropriate reasons.”
Constitution-Free Zones? Seriously? Of course, we already have these elsewhere (airports, train stations, sobriety checkpoints,
stop-and-frisk cities (Oh, wait! They stopped doing THAT!) :-) Score one for our side!
h/t Fox News
Two North Carolina parents are in shock after local police shot and killed their 18-year-old son in their own home, while they watched helplessly.
The family called police because they were worried about their son, Keith Vidal, who is schizophrenic and suffers from depression, according to local news. Vidal, armed with a small screwdriver, was apparently having a psychotic episode. Mark Wilsey, Vidal’s father, called the authorities to help deal with the situation.
An officer from the Brunswick County Sheriff’s Office and another from the Boiling Spring Lakes police department showed up to the house soon after. Eventually, a third officer from the Southport police department entered the home as well, and ordered the use of tasers to subdue Vidal. According to Wilsey, Vidal was pinned on the ground by two of the officers when a third said, “we don’t have time for this,” and shot Vidal, killing him.
Vidal had just turned 18, and weighed a mere 90 pounds. He couldn’t have hurt anyone with the screwdriver, and had no history of violence according to family and friends. (The Daily Caller)
Now, of course, none of us were there, and we weren’t the responding officers. HOWEVER, while my tendency is to support law enforcement, this appears lazy, at best. And it’s not the best.
What do YOU think?
. . . at least in Oregon
The Oregon Court of Appeals has reversed the conviction of a man found guilty of illegally carrying a concealed weapon after he argued the campsite where he pitched his tent for the week was his home and provided an exception to the state’s concealed weapon law.
Talk about Stand Your Ground!
(h/t Alphecca, Southern Rockies Nature Blog)