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To Inoculate, Or NOT To Inoculate…

vaccineTHAT is the question!

I recognize the need for public health policy.  Knowledge of germ theory and sanitation throughout the public is paramount in this regard.  But, as a libertarian (small L), I question the efficacy and efficiency of government-mandated measures to stave off disease.

Where does the public need trump private beliefs?  Religion?

My maternal grandmother passed in 1919 due to the Worldwide Spanish influenza epidemic.  Who knows how many lives could have been saved had a vaccine been available?

As a child in the 50’s, I contracted just about every ‘children’s’ malady known – measles, mumps, chicken pox (2X – yeah, I know, not supposed to happen!), whooping cough.  It’s amazing I didn’t get polio, considering.  I did participate in the nationwide polio vaccine distribution in the 1960’s.

Fast-forward to today.  There is an ubiquitous meme (I’m certain fueled by the anti-corporation profit, ‘natural’ folks) that vaccines are laden with poisonous chemicals, and that in spite of their possible benefit, these chemicals cause autism in a percentage of growing children.

As a result, there is a minority of folks who have kept their children from being vaccinated.  The incidence of measles, whooping cough and other maladies are on the rise, when previously they were essentially eradicated.

And, as with the polio vaccine, there is a small percentage of folks who develop diseases from the vaccine.  An ‘acceptable’ percentage we are told.

Should parents be required to vaccinate their children by government mandate?  Even though there is a small chance they will become ill?

There was a recent court case wherein parents were forced to have their daughter given chemotherapy, even though they believed in not administering such a medication.  Of course, her cancer wasn’t contagious.

This is a complex issue, in my view.  The rights of the individual versus the power of the State.

New Poll: Americans Want Mandatory Vaccines

What do you guys think?

h/t Refdesk, Newsweek

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About guffaw1952

I'm a child of the 50's. libertarian, now medically-retired. I've been a certified firearms trainer, a private investigator, and worked for a major credit card company for almost 22 years. I am a proud NRA Life Member. I am a limited-government, free-market capitalist, who believes in the U.S. Constitution and the Rule of Law.

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18 thoughts on “To Inoculate, Or NOT To Inoculate…

  1. Mandatory just for living, no.
    and that in spite of their possible benefit, these chemicals cause autism in a percentage of growing children

    The autism claims have been proven so utterly false that Jenny McCarthy should have had her head shaved and been given a public flogging with a fan belt for spreading that bull$hi+.
    It isn’t a “possible” benefit, it has been thoroughly researched over decades. Does anyone get a smallpox vaccine anymore? No! Smallpox was eradicated from the population due to vaccinations.

    Want to send your kids to school or home school? If you choose public or private school, VACCINATE.
    If you want your kids to NOT get sick with diseases that can certainly SCREW THEM UP FOR LIFE, even if you choose to home school, VACCINATE.

    Posted by KM | March 2, 2015, 11:15 am
  2. Oh, a topic near and dear to my heart.

    I am not convinced one way or the other that vaccines cause or don’t cause autism. When you look into how vaccines are studied (“Hey, we looked at ’em 4 hours after injection and they were fine”), the science is most definitely lacking regarding long term side effects as well as the side effects of multiple vaccines on top of each other as happens in pediatric care.

    From a purely anecdotal stand point, I have seen side effects that are unacceptable in my own child. She is, fortunately, still alive and no longer vaccinated. Yes, she will be home schooled, and we keep her away from others when she, rarely, gets sick.

    The thought of being forced to vaccinate her by a careless bureaucracy makes me livid in ways that defy description. Much the same way I am just thrilled to be forced to buy health insurance I can neither afford nor use.

    Government intervention in anything should be closely scrutinized and done only with great care less we engage in mandatory bleedings (once state of the medical art).

    Posted by Daddy Hawk | March 2, 2015, 1:02 pm
    • “Government intervention in anything should be closely scrutinized and done only with great care less we engage in mandatory bleedings (once state of the medical art).”

      Thanks for sharing your experience with us! – gfa
      Great to see you.

      Posted by guffaw1952 | March 2, 2015, 4:02 pm
    • Long term side effects haven’t been studied DH??
      Vaccinations against smallpox began 200 years ago! Edward Jenner -1796
      Rabies: Louis Pasteur – 1885 Diphtheria, tetanus, anthrax, cholera, plague, typhoid, tuberculosis – developed through the 1930s. They’ve been looked at.

      Not sure what side effects you have seen in your own child and wouldn’t dare minimze or dismiss them but perhaps they weren’t from the vaccines. “A” does not neccesarily cause “B” just because it precedes it.
      Most side effects in kids from the vaccines, aside from allergic reactions to the “host” culture (rare) are FAR less harmful than the child getting the disease itself.
      However if your child had one of the very rare bad reactions, I can see your point.

      Your child – your call as far as I’m concerned. Just make sure your decision is an informed one.
      All the best.

      Posted by KM | March 3, 2015, 2:52 am
      • KM, yes, vaccines have been around a long time. That does not mean their long term effects have been studied effectively or objectively. most of the studies I’ve seen do not look past 4 hours post injection for any side effects. Any problems occurring later are typically dismissed with the “a” does not necessarily mean “b” caused it line of reasoning.

        What further angers me is a medical community, for the most part, who are willfully blind to side effects and actively hostile to the concept that a parent might have an intelligent question about the subject. We had a doctor call CPS on us when we were fostering claiming we were denying care when all we asked for was a delayed injection schedule (we were required to vaccinate as foster parents since the kids were wards of the state).

        “Your child – your call as far as I’m concerned. Just make sure your decision is an informed one.
        All the best.” That’s really what this comes down to and yet no one else seems to be able to see that point of view. How would you feel if we were talking about government mandated appendectomies at age 5 or pre-natal genetics testing for birth defects? Where does it lead? Where does it stop?

        Just remember that much of what we accepted as state of the medical art even as recently as 40 years ago is no longer practiced. Go back 100 years, and it’s absurd what we used to accept as common place. Go back 200+ and it’s a miracle any patient survived.

        What will we think in 20, 40 or 100 years about this issue?

        Posted by Daddy Hawk | March 3, 2015, 5:47 am
      • Thanks for reading and commenting!

        Posted by guffaw1952 | March 3, 2015, 7:51 am
  3. Apologies for the language…..

    Posted by Matt (formerly Tall tree short rope blog) | March 2, 2015, 1:18 pm
  4. My take is this, you don’t want to vaccinate, then no public/private schools. Homeschool them. And no sports, no large public gatherings, etc. The odds of your child becoming patient 1 is logarithmically increased by your failure to vaccinate. And you potentially sentence your child to death if they are allowed to mix with those who are already vaccinated.

    Posted by Old NFO | March 2, 2015, 6:48 pm
    • Old NFO, I’ve always been perplexed by this line of reasoning. How am I giving my child a death sentence by allowing her to mix in public with those who have been vaccinated. If vaccines are the preventive they are claimed to be, How is my daughter a threat to those who have been vaccinated? I get the idea that vaccines are not 100% effective. I get that their are those who can’t be vaccinated because of certain illnesses such as cancer, but why does that trump my informed decision not to vaccinate my child?

      Posted by Daddy Hawk | March 2, 2015, 8:02 pm
      • Simple, your child will have not been inoculated, they will risk exposure that other children will have immunity to in a public setting. Are you comfortable with the risks in public spaces? Look at the measles outbreak. Where are the highest concentrations? Areas where children were not immunized by choice. Also, all the illegals coming in are NOT being checked for diseases. 9 cases of TB in a Sacramento HS were caused by an illegal who was sent there at the start of the school year last year. Feel free to not immunize, but don’t blame us if she is exposed to something and it goes bad. That is on you.

        Posted by Old NFO | March 3, 2015, 6:13 pm
      • Seems reasonable…

        Posted by guffaw1952 | March 3, 2015, 6:41 pm
    • Interesting point.

      Posted by guffaw1952 | March 3, 2015, 7:47 am
  5. It’s a state issue and up to the state to determine if unvaccinated kids may attend public schools. As for associating elsewhere, daycares, etc., should be able make their own determinations.

    I am pro-vaccination. Certainly, there may be an occasional problem. But by and large this arguement is only occurring because we have been protected by vaccines for so long that people have not had to contemplate the number of children’s graves in old graveyards.

    Years ago the fear of an outbreak of Spanish Flu led to mass inoculation against Swine Flu. And then the lawsuits began. Millions were paid out to those who said that they or loved ones were damaged by the inoculation. Yet there was no higher negative reaction to the vaccine than to any other.

    Autism is the new ADD. Broadened so much that any behavior that we don’t like is dropped into it. Humans want everything classed into a box – the weather, human behavior. It makes us feel safer. In reality, the only thing that isn’t variable in the natural world is the fact that the natural world is always variable.

    Posted by ProudHillbilly | March 3, 2015, 12:50 pm
    • “Autism is the new ADD. Broadened so much that any behavior that we don’t like is dropped into it.”
      Interesting point.
      “In reality, the only thing that isn’t variable in the natural world is the fact that the natural world is always variable.”
      I believe you take the Internets with that one! 🙂

      Posted by guffaw1952 | March 3, 2015, 5:23 pm

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