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Sanctuary! Sanctuary!

I was recently asked (by a liberal friend) my thoughts on the Sanctuary Cities controversy.

To be honest, I’d not given it much thought.

Initially, my gut response was (as I suspect it is with most conservatives in the Republic) they (the cities and States creating Sanctuary Zones) are in violation of federal law.

Period.

But then the libertarian part of my brain became engaged.  Have these cities and States (or even those therein who are seeking Sanctuary) received due process for their actions?  Or is it just the power of the federal government that is forcing these political entities to bow to their will?  And, of course those individuals, too.

I remembered, the Republic antebellum, when the States held much more power.  But Lincoln killed that concept.

And the federal government has continued to grow ever since!  Have you ever seen a warrant, signed by a judge, used for the searches at the airport?  Or DUI checkpoints?  Or when ‘they’ spy on your computer?

If the illegal aliens avoiding the feds are in these places, they need due process to be extracted and deported.  If they are more than illegal aliens (like criminals) they too need due process.

That pesky Constitution so says.

As a conservative, I say go get ’em.  As a libertarian, I say wait for proper paperwork.  Just withholding gov’t funds to cities and States may be a great tactic (as ‘they’ ubiquitously do with highway funds!) but blackmail is not proper paperwork.

I am a conservative libertarian.

I am all about legal aliens to be here legally, get their ‘green’ cards, and move toward proper citizenship, if they desire.

Illegal aliens?  Should be deported.  Except is the most special circumstances.

But the paperwork needs to be in order, first.

Not just federal force.

 

 

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About guffaw1952

I'm a child of the 50's. libertarian, now medically-retired. I've been a certified firearms trainer, a private investigator, and worked for a major credit card company for almost 22 years. I am a proud NRA Life Member. I am a limited-government, free-market capitalist, who believes in the U.S. Constitution and the Rule of Law.

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8 thoughts on “Sanctuary! Sanctuary!

  1. But when the paperwork IS there, and ignored, and people die (see Denver), it IS time to cut funding…

    Posted by Old NFO | February 23, 2017, 9:20 am
  2. Old NFO beat me to it. Just because the feds can exert Force majeure doesn’t mean they should.

    Posted by Rev. Paul | February 23, 2017, 2:17 pm
    • On the other hand, to secure the borders is one of the central government’s Constitutionally-mandated responsibilities. How should they properly respond to any agency, especially a political subdivision like a city or state, which interferes and/or subverts those efforts? Darn this ability to see both sides! :/

      Posted by Rev. Paul | February 23, 2017, 2:20 pm
  3. I think the “libertarian/conservative” argument is a false dichotomy – both sides want the same thing: enforcement of existing law. Everybody always deserves due process, but exactly what are you going to do with the illegals? A hearing for them to demonstrate they’re legal immigrants? Doesn’t that go away if they have their “papers in order”? “Show me the documents saying you’re here legally and you stay”? The converse of that is that if they can’t show papers within a reasonable period of time, they get deported. That’s not via catapult, it’s just sending them back where they came from.

    Sanctuary cities are defying federal law and should be taken to court. Until the court trials, and I bet it ends up at the Supremes, I see nothing wrong with the Feds cutting off funding of all sorts to those cities or states. The feds have pre-empted the states on immigration, saying that it’s entirely their domain. States don’t have unlimited rights to federal money. Didn’t the Obama DOJ just sue your state and governor to get that enforced? (when all she did, from what I hear, was get a bill written that reflected current federal law).

    Don’t fall into the trap of merging legal and illegal immigration in your minds. That “il-” prefix is very important. One of my problems with illegal immigration is that I know a lot of people that have turned themselves inside out to comply with the laws, and they are never treated with the adoration and respect that the illegals get. It’s horribly unfair to people who follow the laws.

    Posted by SiGraybeard | February 23, 2017, 3:22 pm
  4. Thanks for your well-reasoned response.
    I definitely see the difference between legal and illegal aliens.
    And have known people who followed the law.
    It IS horribly unfair to people who follow the law.
    (and GREAT to hear from you!)

    Posted by guffaw1952 | February 23, 2017, 3:28 pm
  5. Where in the Constitution does it give “due process” to a non-citizen who has entered the country illegally? Not making a snide remark – asking for a reference.

    Posted by ProudHillbilly | February 23, 2017, 5:46 pm
    • Amendment IV says ‘the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, places and effects…’ It says ‘the people’, not citizens or legal residents. Being an illegal alien is a misdemeanor, unless repeated.
      If we ignore the Constitution for non-citizens, it’s not a stretch to ignore it for others.
      I truly appreciate your question.

      Posted by guffaw1952 | February 23, 2017, 5:59 pm

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