(from TFB, in part)
40 S&W Gel Test: Black Hills 140gr TAC-XP Solid Copper Hollow Point
Is this just silly? Or is it a valid scientific ammunition test?I owned a .40 S&W once. For a couple of weeks. Don’t get me wrong, she was a Sig Sauer P226, black stainless, and shot consistently through the same hole at 15 yards!
I traded her to a good friend to pay off a debt. Should have kept her, except, she would have been in the vault and now missing, regardless. 😦
For the newbie, the .40 was essentially a truncated 10 mm. Apparently, the feds thought the 10 too potent for the average troop.
And some early tests said the .40 exceeded the .45 ACP in stopping power…
And while both calibers have their adherents, they no longer hold the popularity they once did.
Hell, the feds have gone back to 9 mm!
This is all an exercise in futility for me, anyway. I cannot afford anything.
But, it’s nice the adherents keep trying for a magic bullet…
Like when we were kids?
Well, they’re back! Kinda…
US Army wants bullets that turn into plants over time. Projectiles and casings can take “hundreds of years” to break down.
The US military may not seem like the greenest of organizations, but if rising seas and temperatures produce worldwide chaos, they’re the ones that have to deal with that shit. Now, the Department of Defense is trying to tackle environmental problems caused by spent bullets and casings on its firing ranges by using composite materials laced with seeds.
The military fires hundreds of thousands of rounds during training, ranging from bullets to 155mm artillery shells. While casings are collected, and often recycled, the bullets themselves generally aren’t, and can take “hundreds of years” to break down in the environment. That can pollute the soil and water supply, harm animals, and generally look like crap if you stumble upon them.
To tackle the problem, the DoD has made a proposal call for a biodegradable composite bullet impregnated with seeds that will survive the initial blast and searing velocities. The seeds should only sprout after being in the ground for several months and be safe for animals to consume.
(in part, from Engadget, courtesy of Doc in Yuma)
Now, I’m all about being green, as long as doing so isn’t tied to some phony, leftist political agenda (like ‘global warming’ mentioned above). Or if the newfangled green technology does more harm than good – like the ‘wind farms’ killing birds in exchange for sketchy power.
Should the military be concerned about what they leave behind? Certainly. Look at the land mines and unexploded ordinance problem.
How much is being spent on this? Versus the veterans with PTSD and debilitating injuries?
Frankly, I’m more concerned with those being left behind.
One of my memories of first getting into shooting (way back in the ’70s) was buying, carrying and shooting SuperVel 9mm ammunition. If I remember, it was a 90 gr. bullet, hollow point, and cost roughly twice what ball 115/125 gr. ammo cost ($13.95 vs. $6.00, per 50). It was alleged to leave the barrel at 1375 fps! (I’m certain this was a test barrel, as opposed to my lowly Model 39-2 Smith 4″).
I would spend my hard-earned 1970’s cash on SuperVels (when I could afford them) based on the idea that I should practice with what I carried.
But, as with many things, SuperVel went TangoUniform. And ammo designer Peter Pi went to another company. (I still have an ammo wallet of 18 rounds I acquired somewhere – don’t tell anyone! Kinda silly as I currently do not currently own any 9mm pistols…)
Fast forward to now. Oleg Volk (photographer extraordinaire and gun rights advocate) posted on VolkStudio Blog the following:
(from the link, in part)
I’ve mentioned “Zeurillium” (zinc alloy) bullets before. MI Bullet offers a 1050fps 90 grain load that has next to no recoil and excellent accuracy. It works very well in blowback pistols like Hi-Point C9 and in conventional tilt-barrel locked breech semiautos. Due to the nonexistent recoil, it does not work in rotating breech pistols like Beretta Cougar or my favorite GP XCalibur. Should I wish to run it exclusively, XCalibur does come with a weaker recoil spring that would accommodate the lightly loaded round, but then I would have to change it out when switching to the carry load.
Fortunately, Velocity Munitions is about to start selling the full-power 1400fps version of this load. Fans of 7.62×25 Tokarev round will observe that the bullet weight and the velocity are very similar between the two loads. While the 9mm load doesn’t expand, it starts out with slightly larger frontal area and does have a decent meplat for punching clean holes. Since the zinc alloy is harder than lead, it has overall penetration similar to jacketed ball.
Now I’m an ‘old-school’ guy and have graduated to heavier, wider projectiles. BUT, the velocity of these rounds do interest me.
Now, if I could just afford a 9mm pistol? 😦
la-dee da, la dee da…
Actually, this is a VERY BIG DEAL!
Since I became ill (with the lymphoma* – the unnecessary extra the is necessary now that I’m getting older! 😛 ) and went on disability, I’ve been shooting very little. Perhaps six or seven times in the past 7 years…
And, when I was working I was going two to three times a month!
This is a very big deal, and a good thing!
(THANK YOU TO MY BENEFACTORS WHO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION AND FUNDING, AND THOSE WHO PROVIDED AMMUNITION. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.)
AND, I’m told there is a tentative shooting date in DECEMBER!
‘hats and horns all around!’
*I’ve been in remission since August 2009, thank-you-very-much! Six months of chemo did the trick. (knock-on-wood!)
Here I am, in year FOUR of renting a room, having lost my home due to income reduction, as a result of illness resulting in my going on disability.
I know, everyone has their difficulties. 🙂
I still have boxes of STUFF that need unpacking, because I have even less real estate than my 740 sq.ft. home.
And it occurred to me that as I obviously didn’t have the NEED for this stuff during the past four years, perhaps a good idea would be to SELL IT!
CREATE MORE SPACE AND MAKE A FEW DUCATS. What’s wrong with that?
What’s wrong (or more correctly, difficult) is which method of sale?
There are so many from which to choose – OfferUp, Etsy, EBay, Backpage, the blogosphere, ad infinitum ad nauseum!
Some local (requiring meeting in person or delivery), some national (requiring shipping, etc.) And some of the STUFF may have legal restrictions placed upon it by EBay, fire and police, etc. (reloading materials, ‘firearms-related’ stuff…)
NONE ARE FIREARMS! (Jus’ sayin’)
So, what do you guys recommend? Some local, some shipped, depending on the particulars?
I’ve been told I cannot use my WordPress blog to sell stuff as it’s against their policy? And EBay is weird about what they will allow that is firearms-related: holsters yes, primers no.
I’ve some left-handed holsters, reloading components and parts (brass polisher, primer tubes – Dillon etc. – no press), gun cases, pistol stocks, (maybe) some ammo. Once I inventory the specifics, I’ll send a comprehensive list to a couple local folks who previously expressed interest (because fair is fair), then post the remaining stuff wherever.
And put a link or links here, if permitted.
Thank you in advance.
or even 5.75 mm Velo Dog?
a velo-dog revolver
When I came of (gun) age, the premier cartridge in my circle was .357 Magnum. This was because it was what most law enforcement folks carried – revolvers. (early 1970’s)
Of course, .38 Special was utilized for practice, because it was easier on the gun AND the shooter. And less expensive to shoot.
Semiautomatic pistols were just making their way into law enforcement, with 9 mm Smith & Wesson double actions leading the charge. Single action autos, like the venerable Colt 1911 in .45 ACP, were thought to be at best finicky and unreliable.
Besides, cops carried revolvers and bad guys carried semis. This is what was view as TRUTH.
But with the advancements in metallurgy and polymers, different ammunition and projectors were soon to be seen. Most notably Glock and Beretta, in 9 mm. And after the infamous FBI Miami shootout, the development of the 10 mm, which was later truncated into the .40 S&W.
Carried in DAO and striker-fired weapons, because it was believed genpop recruits (including some small Asians and women) couldn’t safely handle 10 mm or single-action autos!
Even though the military had been teaching single-action autos in .45 ACP for over 70 years!
Recent developments have shown that .45 is not as efficient as once touted. And even federal law enforcement has reverted back to 9 mm over the .40.
And I have it on good authority that even (some) Gunsite instructors decided to shoot 9 mm instead of .45 ACP, and use Isosceles over Weaver stance! Col. Cooper must be spinning in his grave.
Time marches on. As does technology.
Do you carry the ‘latest’ ammo in the ‘most advanced’ machine?
Or are you an old-school guy like me? 🙂
Well, I guess I’ll be moseyin’ down to my buggy, whip and 1911 in hand.
Velo Dog just isn’t big enough for me.
“How much fail can there BE in one photo and paragraph?” – paraphrasing ‘Chandler Bing’ (the Matthew Perry character on TV’s Friends)
Now, you guys KNOW I’m no tool guy, and even I saw the ridiculousness of this image and comment. ‘Automatic assault rifle’ verbiage, aside…
‘Did some research’? Seriously?
What is Martial Cultism?
It is the belief that your particular skill, machine, tool or system is better, even if evidence exists to the contrary.
We see snippets of this constantly in gun magazines, self-defense magazines and on-line bulletin boards.
- .45 versus 9mm (or .38, .357 or .40)
- semiautomatic versus revolver
- taekwondo versus shotokan (or gung fu, muy tai, or the myriad other fighting styles)
- shotgun versus rifle
- Colt versus Smith & Wesson
ad infinitum, ad nauseum
KEADS posted a snippet of this on Facebook the other day. Seems a student was lauding his Kimber to the exclusion of all others (?) I asked if this was pre or post MIM parts? ;-P
Reminiscent of the pre-64 Winchester Rifle discussions of my youth.
Or a high school discussion I had with a learned friend regarding European Medieval Swords versus Japanese Swords. Or as he put it, The Cult of The Japanese Sword.
Recently both the U.S. Military and the FBI have endorsed converting to 9mm hollow points (from .40 S&W and .45 ACP), as the newer 9mm showed better stopping power. then the wider, heavier ammunition.
It appears as though a new cult has formed.
Frankly, I’d like to see the data. If it’s inanimate, like gelatin, I’m not certain of their conclusion.
I had a conversation the other day with (you guessed his name) Bob! (of PI, gun store and recent amputation fame! – he’s doing fine btw…) (pictured below)
ANYWAY, he was bragging about a recent target shooting escapade, and his use of 9mm now as his self-defense ammunition!
I was taken aback. He’d always been an old-school, Cooper-educated type, like me. I asked him what changed his mind.
He said recent findings have shown 9mm (in modern self-defense designs) have performed better than 45 ACP!
Now, being old-school, I always relied on the findings of General Julian Hatcher, the Thompson LaGarde tests, Marshall/Sanow and Lt. Col. Jeff Cooper.
Almost concurrent with this conversation, I had THIS come across my desk (a Twilight Zone moment, to be sure!):
(in part) A military lawyer who made a presentation during the Industry Day noted that the United States is not a signatory to the Hague Conventions which outlawed the use of “dum-dum” and expanding bullets more than a century ago. It is the military’s position that the shift to jacketed hollowpoint (JHP) ammunition, which more efficiently transfers energy to the target and which presents much less of a risk of over-penetration, is more humane and less of a risk to innocent civilians downrange in modern combat where there are often no clear front lines. (…)
I strongly suspect that the Army has already taken a long and hard look at the data produced by the Federal Bureau of Investigation when they recently investigated switching handgun calibers, an investigation that led the agency to abandon the .40 S&W in favor of the 9mm. The FBI discovered that 9mm outperforms both .40 S&W and .45 ACP when using premium hollowpoints, while having less perceived recoil and much greater ammunition capacity.
We are no longer using 60 cal. musket balls. Have the new findings by the FBI and U.S. Military discounted the previous century’s research, now that the ammunition has been more scientifically designed? Or do the basic laws of physics still apply – frontal area, mass, velocity and center-mass hits?
So, what do WE think, dear readers?
h/t B. Hall, Doc, Midway, Wiki
Now, I’m not a believer in magic bullets. JFK’s or any others.
Physics is physics.
Thompson/Laguard, etc. Relative Stopping Power based on physics and empirical evidence. Not fancy video of watermelons and gelatin.
Having said THAT, this does look pretty impressive!
And, with .45 ACP and 12 Ga. shotgun rounds in the wings…
Of course, with a name like R.I.P., you can bet the anti-gun folks will rip into them. Ironically.
As they have with many others.
Remember Black Talons?
(FTC – no one gave me anything. Now go away!)
h/t Doc in Yuma