from Free North Carolina
A federal appeals court says people do not have a right to carry concealed weapons in public under the 2nd Amendment.
An 11-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals issued the ruling Thursday.
The panel says law enforcement officials can require applicants for a concealed weapons permit to show they are in immediate danger or otherwise have a good reason for a permit beyond self-defense.
It was bound to happen. While the Supreme Court affirmed firearms ownership to be an individual right, it said so in the home. There had to be a case further defining the terms. Of course, in this post-Scalia court, the fear is that the eight Justices (or 9, with a progressive appointee) will deny you, me and every other law-abiding citizen their natural right!
Time will tell…
Speaking for myself, I believe weapon possession, ownership, and method-of-carry should be entirely up to the individual! This solves the CCW vs. OC debate. It is NOT the business of the State to decide what or how, or when or where I can so do!
And (while we’re at it) didn’t Miller
(1939 – the case affirming the 1934 National Firearms Act
– full auto, etc.) mention commonly-carried military, individually-operated arms are the purview of the Second Amendment?
I call this ‘the Stinger in the basement’ principle.
(Yeah, I know, I’m rambling. I’m tired this morning)
Kelly McGillis said she plans to apply for a concealed carry gun permit after she was assaulted by an intruder in her North Carolina home Friday, June 17.
The actress, who is best known for playing Charlotte “Charlie” Blackwood in “Top Gun,” recalled the scary incident in a recent Facebook post.
“Upon entering the house I notice a pair of girls pink sandals and a black larger pair,” McGillis wrote. At first, she thought it her daughter might be home and she called out several times for her.
“[But then] a stranger, a woman, came barreling down the hallway and began yelling at me. I asked her who she is and why she was in my house and she said ‘you know why you’ve been stalking me in Twitter.’ Not true.”
The 58-year-old wrote that she keeps guns and ammunition in her home and was concerned one of the intruders had gotten a hold of them.
“That’s when I started to panic” and “ran out the front door and called 911.”
McGillis wrote that the intruder ran after her and “began punching and scratching [me] trying to grab the phone out of my hand. I began screaming as loud as I could hoping someone somewhere might hear me.”
It was a Friday night so not many people were around, McGillis explained. She managed to set off her car alarm since she had her car keys in hand. “More fighting ensued.”
McGillis ran to her truck and drove off. She eventually flagged down another driver who called 911 for her.
The intruder, 38-year-old Laurence Marie Dorn, was arrested by the Henderson County police and charged with second-degree burglary, misdemeanor larceny, misdemeanor stalking, assault and battery and interfering with emergency communication. She is being held on $60,000 bond, according to her arrest report.
McGillis wrote that she was left “scratched and bruised” but is “very thankful it turned out well.”
She added, “But who I feel heartache for is the little girl that was with her. Mental illness takes many hostages. I don’t know her name… but I would like to asked that you pray for her and her mother.”
In a separate post, McGillis shared her plans to protect herself from future invaders.
“I have decided to get a conceal and carry permit. And you can be sure I will be setting the alarm from here on out.“
This isn’t the first time McGillis has been the victim of assault; she and her girlfriend at the time were raped in 1982. She has said the experience led her to play the role of attorney Kathryn Murphy in the 1988 film “The Accused,” based on the gang rape of Cheryl Araujo.
O-kay. She owns guns, but left them in her house, and failed to set the alarm!
Just because you no longer live in L.A. doesn’t mean you are safe. Hopefully, she gets proper training and her permit and starts setting the alarm from this day forward…
Some folks don’t get second chances.
Peter (aka Bayou Renaissance Man) has a well thought out post regarding the terrorist attack in Florida, and personal response. (Link Here) Because group response after-the-fact is rarely efficient or just! (more gun control?!)
We’ve discussed terror attacks like that last night at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando on numerous occasions in these pages. Suffice it to say that anyone with two brain cells to rub together knew that something like this was coming. Furthermore, it won’t be an isolated event. More such attacks will follow. Our terrorist enemies have already promised that – and every time they’ve made that promise, they’ve kept it. We know they’re coming. The question is, are we – we as individuals, not just as a society – prepared to do something about it?
There is much more in his post. Please, educate yourself and go read it! (You should be reading Peter daily, regardless!)
He concludes asking what lessons WE have learned(?)
Here is the comment I humbly left:
ALWAYS CARRY EVERYWHERE!
Something I am already doing, barring the interference of metal detectors.
Just signage? Ignore it.
OR DON’T GO IN!
Now, I’m not advocating violating any law. HOWEVER, this is truly a personal choice. Better to be tried by twelve, than buried by six?
(And, now for something completely different – as promised)
22 VETERANS COMMIT SUICIDE DAILY
Even ONE of these heroes making this choice is unacceptable! (Day #10 of 22)
No, not the birds and bees with your children, or the inane TV show.
(from the USCCA and Kevin Michalowski)
Sooner or later you will have to talk to your non-gun-owning friends about why you carry. You might be asked not to carry at someone’s house. Or you might be grilled on gun safety at your house when people come to visit. I can’t give you the exact words; they are your friends, not mine. But understand that…
SO…it’s NOT just about Safety.
It’s about rights, and protection, and so much more.
There have been a few places I’ve chosen to not carry, and not by government edict, either. It’s been about respect, perceived security, and sometimes plain ol’ convenience.
But sometimes having a civil Talk is just what seems appropriate.
(from Into The Fray – USCCA Blog – Kevin Michalowski)
I know this is the second week in a row I have talked about comments to Into the Fray videos, but I feel it is very important to point out that when it comes to defensive training, there is no ONE single way that people must do anything.
Every situation is dynamic. Every person is different. We are trying to present broad-based information from a variety of sources. What we present here is not THE way, it is A way. If you disagree, please do so politely and logically. We can all learn from each other, share knowledge, and exchange ideas. Nobody knows it all, but the more we share, the safer we will all be.
Yeah, it is a cliché, but every cliché starts with the truth somewhere along the line. If your only tool is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail. Broaden your firearms knowledge by listening, thinking critically, and exchanging your views. We are all in this together.
I’m a big believer in the Bruce Lee modality. Essentially, kata, like standing still and punching paper, is not a survival skill unto itself. Sifu Lee called kata ‘vertical death’. So is doing the same thing, the same way. If you are under attack, you could lose more than your lunch if you are trying to get into a specific fighting stance. I’m a big believer in The Weaver Stance. This doesn’t mean I don’t know how to shoot Isosceles or one-handed or weak handed.
Or while laying on the ground, on my side or my back! Sights will line up, even if you are upside down!
Being disabled, and having a fused hip, kicking someone in the head is not good for me tactically. Knees are better, as are sticky and trapping hands – close quarter work. Rapidly ‘going prone’ is also probably not an option for me. Neither is sprinting 50 yards to find cover. Ambling sometimes presents a challenge.
Use the tools and skills available to you, specifically! Change it up, as necessary.
This is probably brule’ for those of us who are ‘gunnies’ and carry with regularity, but is still interesting with regard to how those in the federal law enforcement circle views such things.
It IS nice edged weapons are included!
(from The Firearms Blog)
The guide itself is rather basic, mostly written word of generally common-sense spotting techniques that most law enforcement would look for during any encounter.
The first and basic step is to “determine (the) strong side” which can be determined by looking for cues such as watches, writing, smoking, and other daily tasks.
Then, according to the Secret Service “An individual who carries a gun on their person will periodically touch that gun both consciously and unconsciously.” (I disagree with this, carrying on a regular basis and with training, many concealed carriers will not touch their firearm, but can see how for MOST encounters, this is true).
Perhaps the most interesting nugget (At least to me) is that the “the majority of right-handed people that carry handguns illegally carry them in the right front waist band, loose.” The document then explains that its because doing so is “cool”, seen in the movies” and “where it is most secure and accessible.”
You can see the whole document here, courtesy of Public Intelligence. (6 pages PDF)
I was reminded of walking through downtown Scottsdale (many years ago) after the Az CCW law initially passed. In a couple of hours, I spotted at least nine persons carrying concealed weapons. I’m certain part of the observation was this was a relatively new legal behavior and folks weren’t used to doing so yet. But people tugging up on there waist bands on the right side under their overshirts, and wearing overshirts were a good beginning!
Most cops or plainclothes agents aren’t that concerned with concealment, and get accustomed to carrying many hour a day, and have done so for years.
Having done so, myself, for many years, I’ve the same comfort and familiarity.
And hope you have it, as well!
Those of you who have read (political) History are familiar with John Locke, and his concept of the Social Contract(?) You remember, the idea that ‘We The People’ make a Contract with those we ‘choose’ to govern us(?)
The basis for The Declaration of Independence.
Well, here is a prime (negative) example.
(courtesy of Joel)
Hey, remember last month when Virginia’s Attorney General threw CCW holders under the bus?
Well, good news, everyone! Governor Terry McAuliffe and “republican leaders” have concluded a series of backroom agreements that restores reciprocity, sort of, and all the repubs and the NRA had to give away was any hope of Virginia gun owners ever feeling safe from the state…
In exchange, Republicans softened their stances on issues that have long been non-starters in the GOP-controlled General Assembly. Under the deal, the state would take guns away from anyone who was under a two-year protective order for domestic-violence offenses. And State Police would have to attend all gun shows to provide background checks for private sellers if they requested the service.
So everything’s cool, Virginia, except that you better never get your wife mad at you and there’ll be armed goons looking over your shoulder any time you think it might be fun to pop into a gun show. But other than that, yay! Say hey for the beauties of compromise, I guess…
Of course, there’s that pesky (federal) Lautenberg Amendment thing, too.
When we make a contract with government, there is ALWAYS the other side to the contract. Their codicil spelling out our duties and responsibilities under the ‘agreement’.
Because they never just give us anything – not when they can use a hook!
or rather, stinkin’ permits!
Last week, the Attorney General in Virginia decided to cancel reciprocity with 25 other states. The uproar around the country among gun enthusiasts was considerable. This brought up, once again, the issue of a national reciprocity law, which, as I pointed out, would be unconstitutional under the Tenth Amendment.
Now, in no way was that post meant to suggest that I am not a fan of universal reciprocity for carry permits. In fact, I believe that insofar as a government has the right to place prerequisites on the exercise of my civil rights by requiring that I obtain a permit to do so, then no government has the right to decide that the decision of any other government is null and void in its jurisdiction.*
But, given that the Constitution does not give Congress the authority to regulate carry permits, or the carry of guns, how then do we accomplish this?
I mentioned in my last posting that one argument cited for government mandated reciprocity is the Driver’s License system. After all, they argue, since my driver’s license is recognized by other states, my carry permit should be as well. While I agree with that premise, most people who argue this route don’t realize that this is the result of an agreement between the States, not because of any law.
What, then, should be our answer?
For me it is simple: abolish the carry permit system altogether.
Why? Because it’s unnecessary, under any understanding of the Second Amendment.
And yet, states require carry permits, and most of us think nothing of it. In fact, we make a big deal of it. “Look at me!” we rejoice. “The Government has acceded to grant me its begrudging permission to exercise a right already guaranteed under the Constitution!”
Naturally, the anti-gunners will argue that without a permit system any criminal would be allowed to carry a gun. How would we be protected from such a thing?
And yet, it should be obvious that criminals carry a gun now without permits. The law does not change their actions, because, by definition, they are criminals.
So, how do we get the permit system revoked?
Unfortunately, we white Americans are going to have to be honest about our white forefathers, and be honest about how it all began – as a way to keep guns out of the hands blacks. So to make the permit system go away, we have to show how racist the whole system was, and how that discrimination carries over to today, by allowing the government to know just who owns guns.
Think about how effective this would be, to tie in the carry permit system with the images of Jim Crow, the Confederacy, and the KKK.
Can we do this? Yes. Will we do this? I don’t know, but I hope so. Because, honestly, it is the best route to national reciprocity – by making every American equal.
(from Fill Yer Hands, in full)
Out of the hands of Blacks, and undesirable foreigners. (Sullivan Law)
Control is control is control. It’s what statists, of all flavors, want.
Nancy Pelosi’s daughter: “Should we protect police by ending Open Carry?”
T-Bolt: “No. Next question.”
Aw, c’mon T-Bolt! Elaborate.
Well, have a lot of Open Carry types aired out cops? No. The threat to cops is not from them. At worst, a subset of OC folks have been douchenozzles. But those folks are a subject of ridicule, and not a threat vector for law enforcement. And folks do, indeed have the right to, among other things, be a douchenozzle.
And trying to connect OC with the Tamir Rice thing, Ms. Pelosi Jr.? Please…
“Did you call me a douchenozzle? I’m OFFENDED!”
Being an over-the-top, obnoxious idiot when carrying a firearm, whether concealed or openly, is not recommended. Doing so tends to bring the attention of the constabulary and hoplophobes, everywhere.
In a libertarian, constitutional world, law-abiding citizens should be able to carry in any manner. Any kind of weapon.
Has ANYONE ever made the observation that uniformed police open carry with impunity?
Should we be offended by THAT? And in so doing, are they less safe?
Of course not, and in the sense of parity and civil liberties, they should not be offended by lawful civilians open-carrying.
(Having said that, there is something to be said for being discrete. :-) )
Questions are coming in about what to do if you face an active shooter. The short answer is slow down. Don’t rush into the action. Remember you are responsible for every round you fire—and if you shoot the wrong person, you will go to jail. Worse yet, you could end up getting shot by another Good Samaritan looking to stop the shooter.
Slow down. Gather information. See and understand the situation before you jump into it.
Move. Shoot. Communicate.
If you don’t know what is going on, keep your finger off the trigger. Observe before you act. Get as much information as you possibly can before you decide to engage.
Excellent advice from Kevin Michalowski @ USCCA !
REMEMBER – The vast majority of us aren’t SpecOps guys, or active law enforcement. We have no duty to engage. Speaking for myself, I’m an ‘armchair adventurer’ at best, and a old, crippled one. And I don’t wear a cape or cowl.